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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist Among Us and

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sometimes they win even the devil was an

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angel once the world has its own rules

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so tonight Tobias Whalen is a passionate

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14 who has been actively investigating

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the unusual for over a decade

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uh the first several years of

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investigative career were spent as a

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mufon field investigator and following

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that he investigated independently prior

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to be going to head writer and editor of

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the Sigler 14 Society

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Tobias is a frequent guest on various

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podcasts or radio shows and contribute

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has contributed to several books on the

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Paranormal is often invited to speak at

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paranormal conferences and events

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he is also featuring small town

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launchers documentary tearing disguise

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in the series premiere of expedition X

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for his work investigating Walkman

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signings around Lake Michigan he and his

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wife Emily have been involved with the

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Lake Michigan Walkman investigation

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since its Advent in the spring of 2017

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and uh recently published the book

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Ronald being the experience the late

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Michigan Mothman High Springs in the

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midwest his years as an investigator

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have served him best by illustrating

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that when uh when it comes to the

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anomalous the preacher natural and the

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Paranormal and the answers he's found or

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still hopelessly outnumbered by the

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questions you can find singular courts

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in society at singular14.com

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a manual knob red is the founder and

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curator UFO Clearinghouse and an active

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Paranormal Investigator he is currently

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one of the chief investigators of the

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Chicago Lake Michigan Walkman phenomena

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along with long Stricker and tobaz

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Whalen and a member of the fans of

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monsters 14 Research team Manuel has

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been interested in the Paranormal since

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he was 17 and has had multiple sightings

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of UFOs and recently of the winged

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humanoid at Chicago O'Hare Airport the

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website he found UFO Clearinghouse is uh

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dedicated and committed to providing the

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most up-to-date information our recent

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UFO sightings reported alien abductions

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encrypted sightings it was designed as a

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place where information can be freely

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exchanged and accessed by paranormal

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researchers investigators the reason of

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furthering the search for the truth and

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his website UFO Clearinghouse can be

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found at

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ufoclearinghouse.wordpress.com so guys

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thanks for joining me this evening

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nice to be here always a pleasure

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now I was just thinking how long we all

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known each other now

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I met Daniel well

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I don't know how long ago I know Manuel

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I guess since the 2011 songs right Manny

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yeah 2011 we've known each other yeah

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and then Tobias we found you at when

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this all started again back in 2017 I

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guess wasn't it yeah no I didn't know

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you guys at at all I didn't know you

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from from Adam uh until these signing

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reports started coming in and that's

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when I I reached out to you both uh

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separately to be you know because I was

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like well hell all these sightings are

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are coming into these these websites and

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I should probably if I want to do my due

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diligence you know uh trying to cover

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this at the time trying to cover it

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journalistically you know I better reach

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out to these guys and so I I uh

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interviewed you both separately and that

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would have been summer of 2017. I think

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I I yeah I remember what order it was in

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but I interviewed one of you in June and

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then the other one in July of that year

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and then yeah the rest is history well

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it's been a long time I mean we've been

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doing this not together for almost five

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years I guess if not more and um

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you know it just keeps on going I mean

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it's the gift that keeps on giving and

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you know it hasn't been as as much

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lately

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but we still occasionally get some

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sightings uh I know Manuel was telling

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me before the show he's got a few that

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he's working on right now

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uh he's got to do some interviews and

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some actual translations uh can you give

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us a little bit about that Manuel

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you know if anybody's followed it's been

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a hotbed before of activity

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um and a lot of it has to do uh I my

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Terry's always been that those have been

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summon beings because that area has

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quite a large uh it is a massive

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Hispanic population a little village uh

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or La villita as it's as it's known to

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everybody is a one of the largest uh

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concentrations of Hispanics or Mexican

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um in the city

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um it's a rich cultural area

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um and a lot of people have you know

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a very with Hispanics there's a very

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um history with the Paranormal with you

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know witchcraft you know we have

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Santeria

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uh now you have things like the Santa

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um things popping up so a lot of people

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you know are taught as children like we

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were uh growing up you know certain

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aspects of Witchcraft so something tells

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me that these things are you know being

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summoned but uh one person you know was

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saying that they saw it fly over trees

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and they said it was it was just the

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perfect you know outline of a person

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with wings and when I asked them you

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know could it have been something like a

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Canadian goose

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which we still have

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um or like a

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uh you know great Heron or uh you know

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um I forgot the other kind of uh Herring

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and he said no this is distinctly had

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human legs had you know human body it

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just looked like it had wings he says

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whatever it was was going really fast I

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mean he said it was it was over and gone

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and down the block you know within

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seconds uh the other one was saying that

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it was in the field and um when he went

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out to the field the next day you know

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after Daybreak he found little satchels

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that are usually commonly used for uh

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Daryl ferendas or like offerings

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which it can mean a couple of different

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things well friend is usually meant like

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an altar of sorts but Dells would be

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associated with like brujeria Santeria

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so that kind of leads me to think that

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maybe this thing was summoned and you

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know was there for a purpose

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um the third one which is uh

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just came in actually yesterday I have

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kind of having some trouble but

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considering where it's coming from it's

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you know kind of normal it comes from

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Ukraine

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trying to get hold I've already sent out

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emails I've not heard anything back so

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until I have some kind of verification

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you know with this

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um they basically said they saw

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red eyes and that they were standing on

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top of a building and when they saw them

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it took off

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um but they described it as you know you

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know a large creature with a very very

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large wingspan this one is they're

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actually saying it's 19 between 18 and

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20 feet

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um if I'm got my math correct

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um in width which is probably one of the

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larger wingspans we've ever seen

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um

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in a matter of seconds but you know this

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is coming from Ukraine where I mean

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unless you're living under a rock you

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know they're going through quite a lot

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so I'm kind of giving it some leeway to

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try to wait for somebody to get hold of

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the gentleman with the uh the first

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um

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encounter I did talk to I just have to

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you know I've recorded most of it I want

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to just go through and uh I should

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hopefully be publishing by the end of

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the week or the end of the weekend it's

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just a matter of going through and you

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know translating everything because it

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was all done in Spanish the second one I

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will be talking to you tomorrow but uh

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they wrote me in Spanish so I'm trying

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to just make sure everything's

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translated I don't like posting things

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in Spanish unless you know I really have

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to because you know not everyone can

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speak Spanish

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um but this one that one is very very

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interesting I want them to point me out

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to the field so see if maybe I can find

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something you know there's little signs

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that you can look forward to see if you

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know somebody's been using it to do like

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a a ritual or even leaving behind things

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um I of course won't be picking anything

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up I know better than that but

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um you know there are little signs that

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you can tell uh especially in that area

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what you know whether somebody's been uh

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you know they're doing a ritual or or

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summon to some kind

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you know you you bring up two

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interesting points

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um first of all the fact that this thing

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is being seen over in Ukraine in our

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course we're we're always looking for

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Wayne giving those sightings around the

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world I mean you know I believe that

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this there there's all definitely a tie

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in there if we can get it but you know

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you're talking about these things being

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seen in war zones that

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yeah I don't think we've ever

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gotten into that but that would be

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interesting we start getting sightings

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and out that you know Out Easter year

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because of the war

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um and also you mentioned about the

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possibility of summoning and we have

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talked about that before

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uh you know we you and some others have

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had on the team have had connections

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with these things and I wonder if we've

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got other people especially in the

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Little Village area that are actually

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getting contacted as well

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you know that's a really good

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possibility that you know maybe they are

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but you know as we've known with uh

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young teen ones

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they don't like being summoned at all it

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impacts that's the only one of the only

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ways you can make them really upset is

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by dragging them into this plane but

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kind of uh

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if you've ever read about Dermatology

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and stuff like that nothing likes being

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summoned demons don't like being

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summoned they don't like being summoned

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um that's a great way to get yourself

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unalived

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um you know if you're not you don't know

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what you're doing is by summoning

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something that doesn't want to be here

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in the first place

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um and so I want to kind of think that

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you know there's something this is

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something that needs to be researched a

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little further and you know hopefully be

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um you know maybe that can draw some

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conclusions or bring us into some kind

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um now do you think because I'm I'm just

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you know thinking out out loud here

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um could that be related to some of the

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issues that that we've had performing uh

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Spirit box or s des method sessions to

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to contact these beings because I think

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that they work very similar to a a sort

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of of summoning ritual right

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um and so you know it seems like we've

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had some real reluctance with uh with

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with whatever we came in contact with uh

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um to to to communicate with us you know

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use using that method and so suddenly

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that that seems to to make more sense

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um also I'm not sure if you guys

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remember this or not but I was in

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contact with a a witch you know she was

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a self-described witch in uh in Chicago

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we had performed this summoning ritual

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with her girlfriend uh over a a Blood

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Moon uh prior to when these sightings

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kicked off again in 2017 and and during

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that their rituals she had achieved this

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this sort of state of gnosis which is

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what a a lot of magical practitioners

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are are looking for it's it's sort of a

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way to

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to align you know your Consciousness

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with your intention and and allow your

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your subconscious mind to sort of take

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over and uh and and enact your will on

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the universe and so she said that she

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had achieved that state during the

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summoning ritual it was right on the

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shores of of Lake Michigan

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and um and during that she had seen this

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uh sort of portal open and like all of

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these bat-like creatures come out

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and so she was confirmed thinking that

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you know maybe she had let some sort of

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of entity or entities uh you know loose

356
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in in that area prior to these these

357
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sightings and what was really

358
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interesting about talking to her

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honestly was that her main concern was

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for the The Entity you know because you

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didn't think that that that uh they were

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dangerous

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um you know she just she thought that uh

364
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she was worried that they would come out

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and sort of be misunderstood and and

366
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people would you know for no reason but

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um but yeah I you know I find that

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interesting because it really does uh

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align quite readily with what uh Manuel

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is talking about specifically with

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people's uh experiences in in uh uh

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Little Village

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mm-hmm

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I think so I mean

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um you kind of think about some of these

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entities they don't you know in their

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own world they're probably not

378
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malevolent turn that or anything but

379
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you're I mean how do you think it would

380
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feel if you took a wild hyena out of the

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Savannah of Africa and through that that

382
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uh we know that wild hyena into downtown

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Chicago I mean or maybe not hyena

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because they're

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you know they are predators but they say

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you take any any animal that's out of

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the Savannah that's maybe not inherently

388
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dangerous when it's in its own

389
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environment but now you threw it into an

390
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entirely different environment

391
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it's surrounded by a city

392
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you know and not just any cities the

393
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third largest city in the nation and

394
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also you know pretty much one of the

395
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most violent cities in the nation

396
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um now you're you know it'd probably be

397
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Century overload the first thing you'd

398
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want to do is defend itself

399
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um it doesn't know whether it's in

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danger or what's going on it's first

401
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instinct it's like the fight-or-flight

402
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Instinct itself you know it kind of

403
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kicks in

404
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um I would think that that's what would

405
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be happening with this you know you're

406
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you're taking an entity that is all of a

407
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sudden thrown into this environment and

408
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um you know you're you're taking them

409
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put them into a city such as Chicago

410
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where you know you have uh

411
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you know violent crime you have you know

412
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you know light Sirens especially if you

413
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live in this inside the city itself you

414
00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:45,780
know you're there's never really a

415
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moment of Peace you know peace and quiet

416
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like you know in the city

417
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um it's probably Century overload and I

418
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would think that they would lash out

419
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um

420
00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:02,100
mean you're dragging them out of a

421
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dimension where they're sitting you know

422
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and you're over you're trying to make

423
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them to do something that they don't

424
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want to inherently do

425
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:13,640
um it's probably gonna be you know

426
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lashing out at you to or try to take the

427
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first opportunity you can to get away so

428
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it can get back to where it's going

429
00:18:24,169 --> 00:18:22,500
where it would come from

430
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um but I kind of agree with you on that

431
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:25,620
you know

432
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,640
um

433
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she has a right to be concerned for

434
00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:30,419
these entities but at the same time

435
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these um you know these summonings

436
00:18:37,730 --> 00:18:35,460
um

437
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,740
they seem to be they seem to have a

438
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really big connection the one with the

439
00:18:45,770 --> 00:18:42,720
witch that Tobias is talking about I

440
00:18:48,409 --> 00:18:45,780
mean it could be very easily done

441
00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:48,419
um you know that's why most people who

442
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:50,700
are in the in a in the Witchcraft who

443
00:18:55,850 --> 00:18:53,039
are in the craft of any kind you know

444
00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:55,860
you're not you're really you train for

445
00:19:00,350 --> 00:18:58,860
many many many years you know it's not

446
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,360
this inherent thing that you have all

447
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,880
you're here in a day no you usually are

448
00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:05,039
you have your Trainers for many many

449
00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:06,120
years

450
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:07,380
um if you're in a cub and you're

451
00:19:11,570 --> 00:19:09,299
probably surrounded by older covered

452
00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:11,580
members at all times when you're doing

453
00:19:15,470 --> 00:19:13,500
this to prevent things from like this

454
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:15,480
from happening

455
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,320
um

456
00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:18,480
you know you're also putting your own

457
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:21,240
intentions into this so if your

458
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,640
intention to cause harm or cause you

459
00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:26,400
know chaos you know I would kind of

460
00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:28,620
think you're kind of imbuing that into

461
00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:32,460
this entity and this entities you're

462
00:19:36,289 --> 00:19:33,900
making this entity do something you

463
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,299
don't want it to do

464
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:39,360
you know um now we've had a lot of

465
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,720
sightings of of humanoids not

466
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necessarily Wing even though it's in the

467
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uh a lot of green areas especially in

468
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the Rosemont area in particular

469
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I remember the Des Plains River

470
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um

471
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,620
maybe people maybe people are dabbling

472
00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:00,960
in the assault have been doing something

473
00:20:05,630 --> 00:20:03,960
similar to that as well

474
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I mean you know there's a lot of weird

475
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stuff that's been showing up in these

476
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Greenways these preserves

477
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and you know Chicago is well known for

478
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preserves and you know well the suburbs

479
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so um

480
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maybe there's something to that it could

481
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be easily I mean it's you know when

482
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um

483
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when we were learning you know you there

484
00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:30,240
was a word for it the people who come in

485
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,740
here thinking that oh I'm going to be

486
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cool I'm going to be a witch I'm going

487
00:20:38,029 --> 00:20:35,160
to summon this this or that they're

488
00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:38,039
usually called fluffers in a derogatory

489
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term so

490
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um

491
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no one is you know

492
00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:46,380
most of this stuff is about balance and

493
00:20:50,289 --> 00:20:49,080
most of it is about you know

494
00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:50,299
um

495
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,059
an intention it's not you trying to

496
00:20:59,150 --> 00:20:57,360
summon the devil you know per se

497
00:21:01,789 --> 00:20:59,160
um

498
00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:01,799
you know and if you're trying to do

499
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:03,240
something you're not if you're not

500
00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:04,919
experienced enough

501
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,780
in doing it or you know what you're

502
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:08,880
doing you're not going to uh you're

503
00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:10,380
going to find yourself opening a door

504
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:12,419
that you can't close

505
00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:15,419
um so yeah I wouldn't be surprised that

506
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:18,600
you find you find things plus you also

507
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,940
have to remember there's these are green

508
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,000
areas I know Tobias are probably agreed

509
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:26,160
um you know some of these areas have

510
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,299
inherent

511
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:30,480
Spirits you know that live in that area

512
00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:34,559
you know you have you know forced you

513
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:36,120
know Spirits you have faith you have

514
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,740
things that live in that area that are

515
00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:39,059
gonna probably you know do something

516
00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:40,919
that gets you out of that area because

517
00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:43,080
of the inherent harm you're going to end

518
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:45,900
up causing by you know meddling in

519
00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:47,100
things that you're not supposed to be

520
00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:49,080
meddling with

521
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,960
that's certainly an interesting idea and

522
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:54,000
and I think that

523
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:56,820
um you know the fact that there are so

524
00:22:04,669 --> 00:22:01,559
many uh uh not just natural areas but uh

525
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:04,679
just just areas in in general uh

526
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:06,780
throughout the uh

527
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:10,200
the United States where you have these

528
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:11,360
sort of

529
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:18,960
to that area I think speaks to some

530
00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:22,140
unique quality of of certain areas you

531
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:26,460
know and so I wouldn't be against you

532
00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:29,640
know speculating that uh that that the

533
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:31,559
quality that might be represented by

534
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:34,980
that is some sort of of native

535
00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:38,700
otherworldly uh in intelligence you know

536
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,679
and you can call it whatever you want

537
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:42,720
you can call it a you know fairies or

538
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:45,480
nature Spirits or or anything that that

539
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:48,780
suits you but at the end of the day you

540
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:50,520
know it does seem like there are certain

541
00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:54,240
areas that uh that that have

542
00:22:57,850 --> 00:22:57,059
um you know a spiritual or paranormal

543
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:57,860
life

544
00:23:03,890 --> 00:23:01,020
all of of their own really you know the

545
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:03,900
the uh Kettle Moraine State Forest for

546
00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:06,960
instance seems to be one of those areas

547
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,140
um you know or you know you might even

548
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:12,000
consider

549
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,080
um just the entire area around uh O'Hare

550
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:18,720
International Airport for instance you

551
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,240
know that's that's one where you know if

552
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:23,280
if you look at the history of of that

553
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,780
area and all of the different sightings

554
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,179
and things that we've seen you know from

555
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:29,520
that relatively tight geographic area

556
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:32,280
there certainly seems to be uh something

557
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,200
to it you know because there doesn't

558
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,000
seem like

559
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:37,980
um you know like if if you're

560
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,200
investigating a a haunted house or

561
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,419
something right and and and you look at

562
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,880
historical records and you see that you

563
00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,740
know this person died there or was

564
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:48,780
murdered there or committed suicide or

565
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,240
something and that sort of ties into the

566
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:53,280
the phenomena that people are

567
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:55,500
experiencing in that house then you can

568
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:57,419
say okay well that might be the origin

569
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:00,419
of of these specific phenomena but you

570
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:04,080
don't really have that uh in in an area

571
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:06,659
like um all of the the little Villages

572
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,659
and and everything surrounding O'Hare

573
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:11,840
really all you've got

574
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,059
is and you know this is for for most

575
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,460
really spreading out in in into Chicago

576
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:19,919
southeastern Wisconsin

577
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:21,960
um really all you've got are these areas

578
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:24,179
that just have all of this weird stuff

579
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:28,020
happening and and no real discernible

580
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,740
cause for any of it honestly unless we

581
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:33,840
start getting into what we were talking

582
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:36,840
about before you know and and start

583
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:38,340
thinking about you know somebody

584
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,649
um you know we've got some people in the

585
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,240
chat who who may mention that you know

586
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,000
because of all the uh the crime and

587
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,820
everything in in the Chicago area and of

588
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:56,100
course we talked about O'Hara you got a

589
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,419
lot of different people coming in and

590
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:59,760
out of there bringing a lot of different

591
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:00,860
energy

592
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:05,100
uh maybe there is an evil intent or some

593
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:06,600
type of uh

594
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,419
evil or malevolence see these things may

595
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,400
be attracted to I mean we I don't think

596
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,280
we've really ever established that uh

597
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,559
you know we've had a slew of theories as

598
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,620
to why all this has been going on in the

599
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,200
Chicago area I mean you know this is

600
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,240
probably the only

601
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,299
uh urban area that's had a concentration

602
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:30,059
of sightings like this of any phenomena

603
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,100
that I could remember or ever figure out

604
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,440
or ever know of

605
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:36,600
um maybe there is something to that but

606
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,380
you know what do you guys think

607
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:42,179
well

608
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:45,539
I mean there's a theory I've always had

609
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:47,940
since I've been in ufology

610
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,100
um I always wanted to bounce it off you

611
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,799
guys especially you Tobias but

612
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:53,940
um

613
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,179
you always hear these stories about how

614
00:26:03,769 --> 00:25:59,760
like typically let's say like the Grays

615
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,779
they seem to feed off of motions

616
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,240
you know they're more attracted to them

617
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,460
to somebody who's you know

618
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:10,860
going to emotion kind of like when you

619
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:13,500
you know Yak you hear and ghost stories

620
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,000
like Poltergeist stories you know

621
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,159
there's usually somebody there who's

622
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,620
like um a king or somebody who's going

623
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,360
through the Nano puberty or something

624
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:22,880
like that they're with a high emotion

625
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:24,840
emotional state

626
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:27,480
you know in the airport kind of has that

627
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:30,840
concentrated area I mean you got people

628
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,500
coming going you know happiness sadness

629
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,240
you know

630
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,480
um all these emotions just bundled up

631
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,200
into one area you know and

632
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:45,779
wouldn't that would probably I can't why

633
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:48,600
you have a lot of UFO signings in that

634
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,240
area maybe they are attracted to that

635
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,820
emotion or the energy that that's been

636
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,400
given off and maybe that's what attracts

637
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,500
you know some of these other creatures

638
00:27:01,789 --> 00:27:00,840
there

639
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:01,799
um

640
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:05,100
that's kind of my theory but you know

641
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:08,580
you know Chicago has so many different

642
00:27:14,169 --> 00:27:10,860
things I mean think of the history I

643
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,179
mean some of some of the most you know

644
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,740
deadliest you know incidences have

645
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,419
happened here you have the same

646
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:20,880
Valentine's Day Massacre it's you know

647
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,539
right there off downtown uh you have you

648
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,640
know some of these cemeteries especially

649
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,799
like places like bastard Grove Cemetery

650
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:30,960
are some of the most haunted places in

651
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,460
the world

652
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,320
um you have um

653
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:36,779
oh there's a club there used to be a

654
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,279
club downtown called the Excalibur that

655
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:41,039
used to be a morgue and it was uh where

656
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:44,520
they used a that morgue for when uh the

657
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,380
orphanage burned down I think it was

658
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,840
like 60 people died in that mostly

659
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,580
children died in that

660
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:52,500
and then there was another incident

661
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,860
where a ship sank in this in the river

662
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:57,299
and a bunch of people like hundreds of

663
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:58,679
people were drowned

664
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,799
and you and think of all the just the

665
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,080
different you know growing from the 20s

666
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,880
you know I'm sorry all the violence that

667
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,460
was associated with prohibition and the

668
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,220
gangster Wars and then now you have all

669
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:14,039
the violence that's going on you know in

670
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,659
day-to-day you know life I mean all that

671
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,240
emotion leaves an imprint and maybe

672
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:22,980
that's something that attracts these

673
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,820
things uh to this area

674
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,159
you know it's worth it you know it's a

675
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,620
thought I mean you know uh

676
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:33,659
God knows how many theories we've had

677
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:35,640
from the very beginning of this you know

678
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,360
these encounters and uh sightings but

679
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:41,760
um you know I you know the fact that we

680
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:44,700
we started having all these sightings

681
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:47,340
and I'd say maybe 75 to 80 percent

682
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,720
around the airport since October 2019

683
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,159
I mean there's definitely something

684
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,260
about the airport and we're pretty sure

685
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:58,080
that has something to do around that uh

686
00:29:05,450 --> 00:28:59,880
connection with that Cemetery or the

687
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,460
area around there uh but still you know

688
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,919
you got you gotta wonder what the

689
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,140
attraction why they come you know we

690
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:15,230
sure

691
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:19,440
um you know I I don't think there is any

692
00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:23,520
causal relationship between

693
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:25,380
um you know anything like criminal

694
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:27,899
activity or

695
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:30,380
um you know any anything similar really

696
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,779
and uh winged humanoid sightings

697
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:35,880
um they they do seem very very random

698
00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:42,059
outside of what we do know which is they

699
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:45,720
they seem to occur in in specific areas

700
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,320
um you know that's not that's not always

701
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,299
the case though you know there there

702
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,940
there are outliers I mean most of the

703
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:56,399
the uh reports that I've investigated

704
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,940
personally have been in more out of the

705
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:02,580
way places you know so I had one in in

706
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:05,640
Rockford just over this past summer

707
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,360
um

708
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,820
and you know Rockford's not a it's not a

709
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:11,279
tiny town or anything but um but it's

710
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:12,899
it's not Chicago

711
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,480
and uh you know you you think back to

712
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:17,760
some of the best uh cases we had you

713
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,360
know even going back to you know 2017

714
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,520
and uh Woodstock for instance I mean

715
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,679
Woodstock is is not a big town what's

716
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,840
the population there maybe maybe 20 000

717
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,399
people

718
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,799
um and uh and and that was pretty out of

719
00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:35,100
the way and even many of the these

720
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,820
sightings in the the more Chicago

721
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,200
metropolitan area at least the the

722
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:42,179
really credible ones you know where

723
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,940
we've been able to speak with people and

724
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,440
and we're and we're pretty like

725
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,000
reasonably sure that it's not a

726
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,700
misidentified bird or something you know

727
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,640
those are often in out of the the way

728
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,679
places too even a lot of those sightings

729
00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:58,799
around O'hare you know like it's pretty

730
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:01,500
rare for somebody to see or even claim

731
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,720
to see one of these things at that

732
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:06,960
airport in a heavy populated part of

733
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,820
that airport you know it's not like

734
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,620
they're usually hanging out in the

735
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,840
terminals or anything right you know

736
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,000
yeah

737
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,460
uh Cemetery by that's by nothing frankly

738
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,260
it's like over in the cargo area and

739
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,179
there's nothing over there

740
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:23,820
um you know and those cargo areas like

741
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,279
if if there doesn't happen like to be a

742
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:29,039
trucker outside waiting or somebody

743
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,140
walking to or from work like there's

744
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,120
nobody out there you know why would they

745
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,059
be they're all inside doing their job

746
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,279
um and so like these what's what's weird

747
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:40,440
is that they're they're in isolated

748
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:42,899
areas within this this otherwise

749
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:46,440
populated area and so you know I really

750
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:48,059
think that there's there's something

751
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,179
about these areas that

752
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:53,399
um either we just can't discern because

753
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,860
it's on a level that that we just can't

754
00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:57,960
perceive

755
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:00,059
um or or there's something that's that

756
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:01,620
that's being missed because it almost

757
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,679
seems like uh the sightings are attached

758
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,440
to these specific areas regardless of of

759
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:10,080
what we as humans are are are doing with

760
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:11,640
them you know like they don't seem to

761
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,279
care that we built a city on this area

762
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,039
that that they have a a particular

763
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:19,500
interest in you know um they're still

764
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:23,279
doing uh uh relatively it seems they're

765
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,940
best to to uh avoid human interest

766
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,799
um and uh and only show up in these

767
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,720
these sort of out of the the the way

768
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:33,120
areas at least as isolated as as they

769
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:34,080
can be

770
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,159
hmm

771
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,880
yeah maybe uh you know the fact that it

772
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:40,679
has been in the city but the portal

773
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,559
where they're coming through is just uh

774
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:46,200
uh really no relationship it just

775
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,580
happens to be there and that's why

776
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:49,679
they're showing up there that's a good

777
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:51,240
point

778
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:55,200
mean you could have a portal right there

779
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,440
at Rest Haven and you know you've been

780
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,200
out there just like I have Tobias at

781
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,000
night and you know it's

782
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,240
it's out of the way it's you are

783
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,100
completely alone I mean even though

784
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,919
across on one side you have a flight

785
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:14,159
line and been uh an area or planes are

786
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:15,779
playing and across the street you have

787
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,860
the a large you know cargo facility with

788
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:22,559
probably thousands of people inside you

789
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:23,880
know if you're out there in the middle

790
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,000
of the night there is no one around no

791
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,799
one comes through there no one goes by

792
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:30,360
there maybe the occasional truck that's

793
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:33,240
checking into the facility but you are

794
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,880
out there by yourself

795
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,440
um something wanted to come out

796
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,480
something wanted to be there and not be

797
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:41,940
seen that's going to be the place

798
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:45,120
you know where you can go

799
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:49,200
um it's it's just that isolated and to

800
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,539
think that it's surrounded I have to

801
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:53,460
think that our hair has to be at least

802
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,220
in the top three biggest and most

803
00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:58,980
busiest airports in the world

804
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,559
um you know it's one I know for sure

805
00:34:06,049 --> 00:34:03,299
it's one of the largest airports in the

806
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,059
world if not the largest yeah it's

807
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:07,799
getting bigger yeah and it's getting

808
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:11,159
bigger and it's this place is absolutely

809
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:16,260
out in the middle of nowhere uh and if

810
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:17,339
you're out there in the middle of the

811
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:19,320
night like when I had the encounter with

812
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:25,080
uh uru you're out there by yourself and

813
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:26,040
um even though you're probably

814
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,760
surrounded by thousands of people

815
00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:31,919
No One's Gonna know you're there

816
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:38,109
we do have one question

817
00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:41,030
oh I was I was basically just going to

818
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,280
uh reiterate what what Manuel said I

819
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,839
mean it's it's hard to describe to

820
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,339
people who haven't been out there but

821
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,919
like uh uh Rest Haven specifically you

822
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,720
know like it's all hemmed in with trees

823
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:54,119
so people can't even see what you're

824
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:56,099
doing in there frankly you know you

825
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,420
could be in there and anything could be

826
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,580
happening and nobody would would even

827
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,160
know despite the fact that you know it's

828
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,040
it's nestled within one of the world's

829
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,320
largest international airports like it's

830
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,079
it's really something else it's bizarre

831
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,000
isn't it I mean I mean the whole concept

832
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:14,700
of that cemetery is still being there is

833
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,119
just bizarre to me it always has been uh

834
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,680
I've never been there but I've seen

835
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,020
pictures of it and it is it's like uh

836
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,240
this big anomaly sitting right there in

837
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,160
the middle of the world's one of the

838
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,980
world's busiest airports it's strange

839
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,780
I mean you got to figure there's got to

840
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,480
be some connection there somewhere

841
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:35,880
uh well we did get a question from

842
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:38,099
Andrew Boyle who asked can they be

843
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:42,849
I

844
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:46,619
think we we have

845
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,660
I I think from the information that we

846
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:50,579
have gotten

847
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,000
that they do not share themselves as

848
00:35:58,329 --> 00:35:56,099
what they look like in their own

849
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,339
Dimension they change themselves

850
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:01,320
uh they don't all look alike we've had

851
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:03,980
different descriptions for the most part

852
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,320
uh maybe they are shape shifters maybe

853
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:09,060
they have the ability to shape shift

854
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,880
maybe they have the ability to cloak you

855
00:36:16,849 --> 00:36:13,800
know we talked about cryptic cloaking

856
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:16,859
and a lot of other strange weird

857
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,760
phenomena uh associated with uh you know

858
00:36:26,290 --> 00:36:23,339
unexplained but maybe they are shape

859
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,300
shifters what do you guys think

860
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:30,000
well you know I I think that they're

861
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:32,099
there's a possibility you know I I'm

862
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:36,900
trying to think of any specific

863
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:39,960
um report that I've received that

864
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,200
mentions something like shape-shifting

865
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:46,079
you know uh as as an attribute

866
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,500
of uh of a winged humanoid and I'm

867
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,440
drawing a blank and So based

868
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,900
specifically on what people are

869
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,940
reporting

870
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,280
um I would say that it's unlikely

871
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:02,160
however uh when you're dealing with

872
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:05,640
something that is completely unknown

873
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:08,820
um you have to allow for any possibility

874
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:12,359
and so I I can't say that

875
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:15,420
um it's it's not the the case all I can

876
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,339
say is based on on what we've seen so

877
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:19,619
far we haven't seen any any good

878
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,980
evidence for that specifically

879
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:24,839
no we have it

880
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,820
um it's just a lot of

881
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,740
a lot of different things that I guess

882
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:30,599
we could speculate you know and then

883
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,040
somebody earlier had mentioned something

884
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,140
about UFO activity and of course we've

885
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,320
had you know there's a well-known UFO

886
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,900
case out at O'Hara back in what was that

887
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:41,820
2006.

888
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:44,760
but yes we have had we have had

889
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:47,220
sightings associated with UFO activity

890
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:49,140
uh

891
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,060
at least two of them

892
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:54,320
um the one that was over the um over the

893
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:56,660
Cresthaven that was

894
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:00,119
uh has some type of humanoid ascend from

895
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:03,240
the cemetery up into the craft and then

896
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:06,599
the security guard Who's down just south

897
00:38:14,210 --> 00:38:10,680
east Southwest of the uh cargo area

898
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,220
who was uh in at night he was in there

899
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:15,359
guarding

900
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,599
a construction area and he was attracted

901
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,640
by one of these Wing humanoids and and

902
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:22,560
then a large

903
00:38:28,810 --> 00:38:27,359
uh triangular or wedge-shaped UFOs

904
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,820
showed up

905
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,720
so um

906
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,780
I I don't think you know from what we

907
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,540
have gathered I don't think they are

908
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:38,700
associated with the UFOs I think the

909
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,060
UFOs just show up at because of them

910
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,420
uh there's something there but I don't

911
00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:47,520
think I don't think these Wing beings

912
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,339
have any particular

913
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:50,880
uh

914
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:54,480
connection with these with these UFOs I

915
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,740
mean you know you guys may think

916
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:57,480
different on that but that's just what

917
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,020
I've been been told well let me um let

918
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:03,839
me go over now this is a report that I

919
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:08,040
received from a woman in uh Rockford

920
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,400
Illinois and so this was a fork Kent

921
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,099
Creek so there's there's this Creek and

922
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:16,380
you know and it's kind of rings with uh

923
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,420
uh well it's it's surrounded by trees

924
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,160
and it's got a little walking path and

925
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,500
everything and it's so you know as as

926
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,599
far as Rockford is is concerned like

927
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,119
it's it's a relatively isolated area

928
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,040
sort of in the middle of all of this

929
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,260
like industry and apartment buildings

930
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:32,880
and and everything else so I'm not going

931
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,380
to say you know you're not in the middle

932
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:37,440
of nowhere but it is kind of set aside

933
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:40,020
somewhat from uh from the surrounding

934
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,500
area insofar as it's it's it has this

935
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,000
wall of trees it's kind of blocking it

936
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:47,880
off and everything and so anyway so I I

937
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:50,820
spoke to this woman uh who said let's

938
00:39:55,150 --> 00:39:53,820
see this was June 20th of this past

939
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:55,160
summer

940
00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:59,160
that she was outside with her mother and

941
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,560
they saw this massive black winged

942
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:02,720
humanoid

943
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,579
followed almost immediately by this

944
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,740
weird glowing UFO you know and we've

945
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:10,440
we've already received multiple winged

946
00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:12,660
humanoid sightings out of Rockford some

947
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,980
of like honestly some of the most

948
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:16,079
credible sightings that I have

949
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:18,599
personally investigated have come out of

950
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,420
of this area you know one of one of the

951
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:23,700
uh the witnesses that I worked with that

952
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,800
was interviewed in the small town

953
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,440
monsters on the trail of the Lake

954
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:30,960
Michigan Mothman uh was one of the the

955
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,820
Rockford witnesses that I had worked

956
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:34,980
with and he was very credible

957
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:38,700
and so what's interesting about this

958
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:42,660
specifically to me is the way that this

959
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:46,200
UFO is described

960
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,420
um so let me get to that real quick

961
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:51,000
because it was weird

962
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:53,400
um so they see this this weird winged

963
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,800
being and they decide to go look for it

964
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,140
um because they're they're very brave

965
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:00,480
it's like you know two in the morning or

966
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:03,960
something too and um and and see so they

967
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:05,579
they go out there and they're looking

968
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:07,020
for this thing

969
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,260
and they see this weird thing this

970
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:15,060
glowing object

971
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:18,359
and it's it's sort of like

972
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:21,960
swimming through the the sky that's how

973
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,599
they described it moving like a a manta

974
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:26,880
ray now it didn't have the the exact

975
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,220
profile of a manta ray so don't picture

976
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,900
something with like wings and like a

977
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,060
long tail but the way it was sort of

978
00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:35,400
gliding and swimming through through the

979
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,579
the sky reminded them of of something

980
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:40,619
living

981
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:46,430
oops

982
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:49,079
I think we lost Tobias

983
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,180
oh oh there he is that was so weird Okay

984
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:55,680
um I don't know somebody didn't want you

985
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,200
talking yeah I mean it has to happen at

986
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:59,760
least once a show that I'm talking about

987
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:02,099
Mothman right yeah you know somewhere

988
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,420
kind of absolutely

989
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:05,579
but uh yeah hopefully you guys didn't

990
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:07,320
lose a lot but

991
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,180
um no it was it was quick

992
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:11,640
Okay Okay cool so yeah I mean it's like

993
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:15,599
literally this UFO seems like this this

994
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:19,680
being made out of of living light or or

995
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:22,440
energy rather than some physical like

996
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:26,280
piloted craft and and that was so weird

997
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,420
to me

998
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:29,099
um you know because you you talk about

999
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,180
seeing UFOs in in the the same uh

1000
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:35,880
geographic area as as these these

1001
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,320
Mothman sightings and I think there's

1002
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,000
something to that but then you have to

1003
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,920
start asking yourself what the hell is a

1004
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,900
a UFO you know like what does that even

1005
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,760
mean

1006
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:45,300
exactly

1007
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:48,300
right and so you know like if there's

1008
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,660
something to these these areas

1009
00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:54,060
um then you know maybe you know like

1010
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:55,859
like you were saying Lon maybe they

1011
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:00,060
aren't related in any way other than

1012
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,560
um uh uh being perceptible in these

1013
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,900
specific areas whether they're coming

1014
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:09,119
through to us or we're able to see them

1015
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,819
for whatever reason you know maybe maybe

1016
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,800
it's just these these areas or maybe

1017
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,380
it's just these areas for a specific uh

1018
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,500
amount of of time or or something you

1019
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,260
know where on a specific evening

1020
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,480
um if you're out there you can just see

1021
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,060
into these other areas or they're again

1022
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:29,700
maybe they're able to come to us but it

1023
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,579
doesn't seem like necessarily

1024
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:34,440
again there's a very intimate

1025
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:37,980
relationship between uh these winged

1026
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,859
humanoids and and these UFOs uh in in

1027
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,960
terms of them being you know strongly

1028
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,839
connected Beyond just being seen in

1029
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:47,700
these areas which I think speaks towards

1030
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,040
the weirdness of the the areas

1031
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:52,800
themselves

1032
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,460
oh yeah yeah I agree I agree 100 I mean

1033
00:44:02,750 --> 00:43:59,040
you know it's um

1034
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,760
you know it is interesting we have had a

1035
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:04,500
lot of sightings and a lot of different

1036
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,510
a particular geographic area or a region

1037
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:13,980
but there are a lot of variables that

1038
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,180
associate with all this stuff uh

1039
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,640
you know I I honestly after all these

1040
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,380
years I'm still not surprised we don't

1041
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,000
know a whole lot

1042
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,240
uh you know I don't know I don't know

1043
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,339
what you guys think about that I mean I

1044
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:31,040
wish we did know more

1045
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:34,980
uh I I think as this phenomena continues

1046
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,109
um

1047
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:41,040
there I think things are going to change

1048
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,220
uh I think there will be more multiple

1049
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:46,680
sightings

1050
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,700
um

1051
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,520
I mean I'm just saying this off top my

1052
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:52,260
head you know it's not an intuition

1053
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,660
thing or anything but I think there will

1054
00:44:58,849 --> 00:44:56,400
be multiple sightings

1055
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,859
I think there will be areas of

1056
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,020
concentration just like we've had

1057
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:03,780
Bentonville which is real near airport

1058
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,160
but it is a and it is a town or a a

1059
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,920
community where we've had what nine

1060
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,960
tennis sightings now

1061
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:15,119
overall

1062
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,500
um

1063
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
you know we've had you know we've had

1064
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,640
that in other communities within the

1065
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,800
Chicago area in other towns like

1066
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,140
Rockford Rockford and you know you talk

1067
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,780
about Rockford it's crazy we have had

1068
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,160
some of the weirdest sightings in the

1069
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:31,140
Rockford area

1070
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,099
um

1071
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:34,560
so I I think this is going to continue I

1072
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,540
don't know to what degree but I think it

1073
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:37,680
will continue

1074
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:42,060
yeah you know what this this just uh it

1075
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,420
just now occurred to me that that one of

1076
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:47,640
the other sightings that I investigated

1077
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,740
out of Rockford

1078
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,560
um this was the the the guy who actually

1079
00:45:57,650 --> 00:45:54,720
agreed to go on the the small town

1080
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:57,660
Monsters uh Doc and everything uh he

1081
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:00,780
actually had a UFO sighting in the same

1082
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,160
area as he had his his wings too

1083
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:08,040
um so yeah I just I it would be remiss

1084
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:11,220
of me not to to mention that because it

1085
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:12,900
is super weird

1086
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,420
um that's you know that's probably the

1087
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:17,880
third or fourth witness that I've talked

1088
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,780
to

1089
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,940
specifically myself and I have I've

1090
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,000
actually talked you know to directly who

1091
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,180
has had uh some kind of UFO sighting

1092
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,280
along with their their winged humanoid

1093
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,760
setting yeah definitely weird and and

1094
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:34,440
you're right I don't think this is going

1095
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:37,980
anywhere I remember you know when I I

1096
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,740
was riding the Lake Michigan Mothman you

1097
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,140
know High strangeness in the midwest

1098
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:45,720
um you know even then because that I I

1099
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:49,020
published that I think end of 2019

1100
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:50,579
um and so I was finishing up the writing

1101
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:54,420
of it like july-ish of that year and

1102
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,460
even then things had slowed down but

1103
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,040
they hadn't stopped you know heck we

1104
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:01,440
hadn't even started getting anything uh

1105
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:04,619
uh around O'hare at that point but I

1106
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,260
always said this once that you know

1107
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,720
there's no ending to this story that's

1108
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,060
not how these things work you know like

1109
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,180
there's no convenient like three-act uh

1110
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:17,460
novel here sorry it's just not going to

1111
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:18,780
happen there's no beginning middle and

1112
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:22,140
end this just is and it seems like it

1113
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,819
just is forever

1114
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,460
well I'm planning a third book I mean

1115
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:28,319
it's going to be mostly concentrated

1116
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,020
about the O'Hara size

1117
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,839
so you know and I I you know of course

1118
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:35,400
all the other ones involved you know

1119
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,260
during that time period will be in there

1120
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,060
but you know

1121
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,640
I I kind of

1122
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,980
I'm kind of on the fence about actually

1123
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:45,599
writing it and putting it out there

1124
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:48,900
because I know more coming uh in my in

1125
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,560
my gut I just feel that more coming and

1126
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:54,839
maybe some pretty substantial ones as

1127
00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,900
well that's just the feeling I get you

1128
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,579
know I you know from the very beginning

1129
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,040
I always had this thought

1130
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,800
that this was going to be big and that

1131
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:06,900
it was just going to keep on going and

1132
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,500
going and going you know us and others

1133
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:12,660
have been accused of manufacturing a lot

1134
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,760
of this from the very beginning and

1135
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:16,680
that's just not the case I mean this is

1136
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,619
something that has just you know it's

1137
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,960
it's self-manifesting it just continues

1138
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,700
on so

1139
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:26,880
um yeah yeah you know people can talk to

1140
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:32,220
the the witnesses uh for themselves you

1141
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:33,900
know because they are real people and

1142
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:37,079
and and and they do exist now you know I

1143
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:38,280
don't have any problem with somebody

1144
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,380
who's skeptical of a uh report that is

1145
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,780
anonymous and you know maybe we weren't

1146
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,880
able to follow up with the the witness

1147
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,380
and so you know you've got like a

1148
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,420
one-off email or something look I'm

1149
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:53,579
skeptical of those too and and I get

1150
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,520
that but you know too many people I

1151
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,040
think in uh in looking into this

1152
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,200
investigation want to throw the baby out

1153
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:04,020
with the bath water and yeah and they

1154
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:06,300
they disregard these these very credible

1155
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,220
Witnesses many of whom have decided to

1156
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:11,040
go on the record you know there are at

1157
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,020
least two witnesses that I I worked with

1158
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:15,200
uh directly and then a third witness

1159
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,839
that uh Seth and and Heather found

1160
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,079
um that that all went on camera in the

1161
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:25,680
the the the uh STM uh uh documentary you

1162
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,200
know the the on the trail of the uh Lake

1163
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,900
Michigan Mothman you know so that's

1164
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:32,880
that's three people on on camera even as

1165
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:36,839
far back as as 2017 you had I boy I wish

1166
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,420
I could remember his name um that uh

1167
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:42,720
bouncer at the the uh owl you know like

1168
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:45,060
yeah uh yeah I mean Jack down in in

1169
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,060
Chicago he had had uh interviewed that

1170
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,819
guy on on camera and he was he like he

1171
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:52,800
was very forthcoming and so like there's

1172
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,500
always been people who were willing to

1173
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:58,380
to come forward uh about their

1174
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,319
experiences it's not as many as some

1175
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,359
people would probably like because you

1176
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:05,460
know we've got dozens and dozens of

1177
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:06,660
these sightings

1178
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:07,380
um

1179
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:10,619
and a very you know small percentage of

1180
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,900
of the witnesses involved have actually

1181
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:15,839
bothered to to come forward but

1182
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:19,500
I mean it's it's a lot more I think than

1183
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,300
people know you know and and

1184
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,220
that's just too bad honestly you know I

1185
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,980
I wish that there was a a way to

1186
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,480
to

1187
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,700
um you know just sort of guide people in

1188
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:35,160
the right direction to to see all of all

1189
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:37,140
of that stuff because I hate you know

1190
00:50:41,329 --> 00:50:40,260
how the the uh uh how the internet works

1191
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,339
you know you get a lot of nice

1192
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:43,440
information things and of course people

1193
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,140
want to accuse people of things for

1194
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:48,660
whatever you know bitter personal

1195
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,020
reasons and um and well we've got a lot

1196
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:54,900
of that you know you know this is and

1197
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,059
this has been the downfall of this whole

1198
00:51:02,750 --> 00:50:59,760
thing we've had people who have just

1199
00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:02,760
you know have interjected and caused

1200
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,780
issues uh for selfish reasons and right

1201
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,880
you know we try to avoid that as much as

1202
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:10,559
possible and unfortunately it just

1203
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:13,559
raised his ugly head too many times you

1204
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,780
know you talk about the albar

1205
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:17,760
um incident that's really the one that

1206
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:21,599
put us on the map because you know Vice

1207
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:25,140
actually they you know Vice uh

1208
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,480
uh their article they did was

1209
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,700
concentrated on the owl the outboard

1210
00:51:34,609 --> 00:51:32,400
setting and that's kind of what got

1211
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:34,619
everything going uh when that got out

1212
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:37,380
nationally and internationally

1213
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:40,140
and uh that was deciding it kind of got

1214
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:41,900
everybody's attention

1215
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:45,300
so uh yeah that was that was uh that was

1216
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,339
an interesting that was an interesting

1217
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,160
case now look I uh

1218
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:52,140
I think while we're on here we ought to

1219
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,839
go through some of the cases we have

1220
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:57,420
picked up since the last time we talked

1221
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:01,500
uh I think it started in I I think it I

1222
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,000
can peg this was the Saint Joseph

1223
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:05,579
Cemetery sighting in River Grove

1224
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:08,700
Illinois and that was Manuel so Manuel

1225
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,099
tell us a bit about that one

1226
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,140
uh which one again

1227
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,020
Everybody by the cemetery at St Joseph

1228
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,640
oh the

1229
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,740
um the one where we talked about that

1230
00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:21,480
they said was a pterodactyl or something

1231
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,319
like that yeah yeah yep that place is

1232
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:29,160
one of the strangest places in Chicago

1233
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:33,960
um Chicago has quite a few very large

1234
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,540
cemeteries and some of these cemeteries

1235
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:38,400
have some

1236
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,480
you have places like Resurrection with

1237
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,359
Resurrection Mary you have

1238
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:48,660
um there's one place in um

1239
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,420
on the far end of Chicago called

1240
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,880
Bachelor's Grove that is just you can

1241
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:56,040
feel the energy even from across the

1242
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:57,540
street

1243
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:00,599
um of how bad this place is

1244
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,240
um this particular one there is a legend

1245
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:05,640
with it about a uh

1246
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:09,240
a ghost that people see they think it's

1247
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:12,599
a woman and they pick her up and you

1248
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,940
know she sits in her car and then just

1249
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:16,920
disappears

1250
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,800
um or they they pass her and when they

1251
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:21,839
come back she's gone

1252
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:22,680
um

1253
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:25,020
I forget what they have a name for her

1254
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:28,200
but you know it's uh basically when a

1255
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:30,839
it's a phantom hitchhiker basically uh

1256
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:34,020
but this place has a very very spooky

1257
00:53:39,069 --> 00:53:36,180
vibe to it like

1258
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:39,079
um and it's not been the first uh

1259
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,020
sighting out there of winning humanoids

1260
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,300
this one happened as they said was look

1261
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:47,760
like a pterodactyl you know the large

1262
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:51,720
membranous Wings on the crest on the Ted

1263
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,619
um

1264
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,599
quite honestly

1265
00:53:59,870 --> 00:53:57,599
um it was right after that investigating

1266
00:54:02,870 --> 00:53:59,880
that that I got to see my very very

1267
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:02,880
first I've lived here all my life never

1268
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,960
seen a great blue heron until recently

1269
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:09,660
when we went to Wisconsin uh we're on my

1270
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,700
way to our way to Clear Lake which is uh

1271
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,400
where my wife is from and we saw some in

1272
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:17,160
the field and I did not believe anybody

1273
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,420
about the distincts are massive uh like

1274
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,640
literally because I'm almost six feet

1275
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,859
tall uh right at six foot and this thing

1276
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:27,359
could probably look me straight in the

1277
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:28,319
eyes

1278
00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:33,260
um they are big and they're just uh

1279
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:35,579
stocking they're they're very large

1280
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:36,900
animals

1281
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:39,960
um but they say that this thing was uh

1282
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,980
flying around and that it had a um just

1283
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:46,200
it looked like a prehistoric you know

1284
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,720
pterosaur

1285
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,400
the most famous pterodactyl but I mean

1286
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,079
there's multiple

1287
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,000
you know they were from the size of

1288
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:56,400
small little uh chickens to the size of

1289
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:58,680
a of a small plane there's one called

1290
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,020
Crux of collateralist that is if you go

1291
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:03,119
to the field museum they have a a

1292
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:05,099
full-size specimen this thing's the size

1293
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:09,780
of a giraffe and capable of flight

1294
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:13,859
um so it's just um they said it had a

1295
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:16,680
Crest on it so I'm just for you know

1296
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:18,180
sake of argument we're just gonna call

1297
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,020
it pterodactyl but it's uh they said it

1298
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,079
was it was over that cemetery and they

1299
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:26,940
said they got a real spooky feeling from

1300
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,640
that place and I want to agree this

1301
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,400
place is very spooky

1302
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,680
um and again one of the cemeteries

1303
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:36,900
associated in Chicago with all sorts of

1304
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:39,540
different Paranormal Activity

1305
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:40,079
um

1306
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:41,819
I believe they were there to visit

1307
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,240
somebody at the cemetery uh and when

1308
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:47,819
they had deciding and it scared them

1309
00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:49,619
you know you know you know we have

1310
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,859
talked about and I'm I'm sorry for

1311
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:53,700
interrupting but

1312
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,480
um

1313
00:56:00,109 --> 00:55:56,760
we have talked about and heard about all

1314
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,119
the decrypted activity around cemeteries

1315
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:02,400
and of course we've been having this at

1316
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:05,180
Rest Haven as well

1317
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:09,059
uh do you think there's a actual draw to

1318
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:16,970
I want to say that yes maybe because I

1319
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,980
mean obviously the you know cemeteries

1320
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,079
are

1321
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:24,000
um you know obviously you know they're

1322
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,339
full of dead people I mean your spirit

1323
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:28,680
their Spirit energy there

1324
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:29,220
um

1325
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:33,059
you know whether it's uh good or bad you

1326
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,079
know

1327
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,960
um line you you you were you live not

1328
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:38,700
too far from a Battleground it's also a

1329
00:56:43,370 --> 00:56:41,339
cemetery and I can only imagine the

1330
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,380
spirit level out of that place is I

1331
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:45,599
gotta Cemetery right beside me so I live

1332
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:48,119
right beside a big Catholic Cemetery so

1333
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,760
even though I don't get much from that

1334
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,680
but yeah Gettysburg I mean I you know

1335
00:56:57,790 --> 00:56:54,720
it's almost anybody who's been to

1336
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:57,800
Gettysburg and has any bit of uh

1337
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:00,540
intuitive ability can really feel it

1338
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:03,420
just pounding on top of it absolutely

1339
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,660
yeah I mean you can get a lot if you're

1340
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:08,160
if you have any kind of intuitive

1341
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,460
ability which you know all three of us

1342
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:14,160
have at least some form of it you could

1343
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,859
feel it you know so it always seems to

1344
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,200
be that there's always there I mean you

1345
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:22,020
have Spirits there

1346
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,020
um that come back and forth um you know

1347
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:27,119
we just recently celebrated uh there's a

1348
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,260
Mexican holiday we just recently

1349
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,440
celebrated los Muertos where we actually

1350
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:33,660
go to cemeteries and and you know

1351
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,119
decorate them and celebrate them because

1352
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:38,640
we believe the spirits come back you

1353
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:41,700
know at that time to visit us so yeah I

1354
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:44,339
think that there's a there is some even

1355
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,619
if it's just you know

1356
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,000
oh

1357
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:50,099
I forget the word I want to say but you

1358
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:53,099
know if there's not real factual you

1359
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,140
know connections there's at least kind

1360
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:58,319
of like a um folklore connection

1361
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:01,380
that I think we that's can be said for

1362
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,049
well I agree what do you think about

1363
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:09,119
that uh Tobias

1364
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:12,720
well you know um I would agree that

1365
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,960
there is a certain

1366
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,440
energy I guess for lack of a a better

1367
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:22,440
word with particular cemeteries you know

1368
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,920
like there's one uh in in Madison

1369
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:28,440
um Forest Hill Cemetery and it's got

1370
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,500
like it's a it's a very old Cemetery you

1371
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:33,540
know dating back uh well into the the

1372
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,780
19th century and it got the uh

1373
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:39,720
northernmost uh uh Confederate burial

1374
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:42,660
plot because of the the pows that uh

1375
00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:46,920
that died in in Camp Randall there and

1376
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:50,660
there doesn't seem to be a strong

1377
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:53,579
intelligence you know to to this

1378
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,260
haunting but you but you walk in there

1379
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:57,780
and the place feels haunted there is

1380
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,260
this this sense of uh oppression you

1381
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,720
know I mean especially if if you go to

1382
00:59:09,130 --> 00:59:06,240
like that uh that that uh Confederate

1383
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,140
burial plot it's just it's it's it's

1384
00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,880
overwhelming frankly um I don't I don't

1385
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:13,799
like to spend a lot of time there

1386
00:59:19,789 --> 00:59:17,760
um so I can't even go to the cemeteries

1387
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:19,799
anymore be honest with you I mean it's

1388
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,280
just it's overwhelming to me right and I

1389
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:25,200
have to wonder because it it doesn't

1390
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:27,900
seem to be a lot of uh

1391
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:30,839
um intelligence there I you know it

1392
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,900
doesn't seem like some some evidence for

1393
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:36,240
persistence a personality postmortem or

1394
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,940
anything it almost feels like

1395
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:41,280
um just this great emotional weight that

1396
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:43,619
that however many you know living humans

1397
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,680
have invested in this place over over

1398
00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:49,680
countless lifetimes and uh and and and

1399
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,099
because of that I think you you can uh

1400
00:59:59,650 --> 00:59:54,960
walk in and sort of and sort of pick up

1401
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,660
on the the weight of all of that

1402
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:01,920
emotional energy that's that's that's

1403
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:04,920
been in invested in these areas

1404
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:07,140
um and so you know you have to wonder

1405
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,040
like uh how much of say where we place

1406
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:14,640
cemeteries is is related to uh areas

1407
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:17,460
being strange in in the first place so

1408
01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:18,780
for instance

1409
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:19,559
um

1410
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:23,339
you know uh Forest Hill is is built sort

1411
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:27,780
of uh around several uh uh ancient

1412
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,140
um in indigenous burial mounds uh like

1413
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,780
it's it's it's got you know a lot of

1414
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,760
history there like this is an area where

1415
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:37,500
people have been burying their dead for

1416
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,819
you know uh thousands of years prior to

1417
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,700
to any uh European settlers

1418
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:46,500
doing so

1419
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,940
um and so you have to wonder you know

1420
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:50,160
how much could build up there you know

1421
01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:53,940
over that amount of of time and so

1422
01:00:59,690 --> 01:00:56,280
you know I think that's why cemeteries

1423
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,700
are are weird is because of that emotion

1424
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:02,400
emotional investment and you know and

1425
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,940
maybe maybe uh sometimes they're uh

1426
01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:07,680
directed to be built on some of these

1427
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:09,260
areas we've already been talking about

1428
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,200
that are weird anyway and so you know if

1429
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,359
if that happens

1430
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:17,339
um then boy yeah you're probably looking

1431
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:20,579
at uh at no end of of high strangeness

1432
01:01:31,309 --> 01:01:28,789
yep I agree I agree uh

1433
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:31,319
we had some other sightings uh of course

1434
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:33,180
you talked about the uh the Rockford

1435
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:36,299
site can you go any deeper into that uh

1436
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,940
what she actually saw and anything else

1437
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:40,200
on that

1438
01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:41,280
yeah

1439
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:46,270
I've got it right here I will just read

1440
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:50,520
her testimony verbatim because it's it's

1441
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:53,339
the best way to do it so absolutely okay

1442
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:56,480
this sighting began at approximately 1am

1443
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,460
uh when this woman uh who actually did

1444
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:02,160
uh agree to having her her name used so

1445
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:05,400
her name is is uh Shayna and her mother

1446
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:08,220
uh Barbara were was also there they were

1447
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,780
outside of shayna's a a house and well

1448
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:14,220
it was in

1449
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,640
apartment building and uh so anyway what

1450
01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:19,980
she said to me was uh there's my parking

1451
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,960
lot and we were facing toward my

1452
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:23,760
building and next to that between me and

1453
01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:26,579
and the canal so that's that that uh

1454
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:29,000
that Creek I was I was talking about

1455
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,520
uh so there's uh between me and and the

1456
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:34,079
canal there's a parking lot that has

1457
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:35,819
nothing just like a lot and then there's

1458
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:38,460
a canal and I could see the overpass

1459
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,680
bridge that runs down Auburn over the

1460
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:43,260
canal across from that is a shop that

1461
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,240
has lights on it and there's a very very

1462
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:48,359
well lit uh I'm not sure what it is a a

1463
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,960
hauling business I think uh but they

1464
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,700
have trucks and garage doors and stuff

1465
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:56,040
then there's a pretty thin tree line on

1466
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:57,960
the canal and there's nothing on my side

1467
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,020
of the the canal it's reasonably well

1468
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,260
lit when the the creature as she

1469
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:06,540
described it crawled out of of the canal

1470
01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:09,059
I could see the cement guardrail walls

1471
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:11,160
of the canal because all the lights on

1472
01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:12,839
this side from that shop and the light

1473
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:14,460
reflecting from the lights that are on

1474
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,520
the side of my building the trees uh

1475
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,200
were were dark

1476
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:21,480
I heard a screech that made me turn my

1477
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,460
head toward that direction then it

1478
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:25,200
looked like it crawled from out of the

1479
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:26,819
canal because I saw this black

1480
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:30,059
silhouette following up and and onto the

1481
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,520
embankment that's when you could see the

1482
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:34,079
black silhouette against the light on

1483
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,420
the other side you could clearly see

1484
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:39,119
this black blob moving across and when

1485
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,799
my mom looked over because she saw

1486
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,599
something in the corner of her eye and

1487
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,160
obviously I was already looking over

1488
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:46,559
there she saw the black blob and then it

1489
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,780
took flight within the tree line we

1490
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:50,400
could clearly see the shape of the Wings

1491
01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:52,440
and the size of this thing going through

1492
01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:55,799
the the tree line obviously I can't say

1493
01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:58,020
uh it was it was through the the tree

1494
01:04:03,230 --> 01:03:59,579
line it could have just been above the

1495
01:04:06,109 --> 01:04:03,240
the canal like at the the water but we

1496
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:06,119
saw it completely pass like we saw it uh

1497
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:07,740
going through and so

1498
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:09,960
and she she uh described it to me

1499
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:11,460
further

1500
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,220
um and she related it to and and now

1501
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,740
we've seen this before not exactly this

1502
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,200
but similar to this in Witnesses who

1503
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:21,599
have related their sighting to the uh

1504
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:24,720
the creature from Jeepers Creepers so

1505
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:28,380
she used the the movie Underworld to try

1506
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:32,700
to uh uh describe or or help her

1507
01:04:37,609 --> 01:04:35,940
describe her experience so she said that

1508
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:37,619
this thing reminded her of the character

1509
01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:39,480
Marcus from the the film underworld

1510
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:43,020
which is like a huge bat-like humanoid

1511
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:45,480
monster right or at least even become

1512
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:48,780
one I think and so she says that uh it

1513
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:51,000
was massive like hunched over when it

1514
01:04:54,770 --> 01:04:52,980
was coming out of the canal it looked

1515
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:54,780
like the size of our dumpster that we

1516
01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:56,940
have in the back of our apartment

1517
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,940
building it was huge I have no clue what

1518
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:02,160
to even compare it to it was super tall

1519
01:05:06,289 --> 01:05:04,380
and big when it walked when it was on

1520
01:05:08,089 --> 01:05:06,299
the ground it was like hunched over and

1521
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:08,099
crouched it looked like this this

1522
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:09,660
massive blob

1523
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:11,640
and then when it initially left the

1524
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,859
ground it flapped its wings and it

1525
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:16,079
wasn't a super fast flap because the the

1526
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:19,740
wings were so big and the the canal goes

1527
01:05:24,109 --> 01:05:21,780
down into a vegetative spot so then they

1528
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:24,119
they lost sight of it there

1529
01:05:29,329 --> 01:05:26,220
um and so you know you've got something

1530
01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:29,339
similar to the other Rockford sightings

1531
01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:32,819
uh saying the the uh deer bat and I

1532
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:34,440
don't remember what the other gentleman

1533
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:35,940
called it remember there there were two

1534
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,460
witnesses who want separate occasions

1535
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:41,520
outside of Rockford were cruising around

1536
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:43,380
uh because there's there wasn't a whole

1537
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:45,000
heck of a lot for them to do otherwise

1538
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:46,500
so they're out cruising

1539
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:50,700
and and they saw this huge winged a

1540
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:53,700
humanoid completely black creature and

1541
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,280
so that's very very similar to what she

1542
01:06:02,870 --> 01:05:58,559
had seen here and what's interesting

1543
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:02,880
is that she was describing seeing this

1544
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:05,220
thing in in relatively well-lit

1545
01:06:13,089 --> 01:06:09,540
conditions and yet at at the same time

1546
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:13,099
it's just this like featureless black

1547
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:16,740
blob uh that you know Springs up into

1548
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:20,640
this this winged humanoid creature right

1549
01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:23,040
um which is what's one of the more

1550
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:25,619
interesting things about these these

1551
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:27,240
Rockford signings and some of the the

1552
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:28,680
the other side is because they're not

1553
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:31,680
the only witnesses to uh describe these

1554
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:33,660
things this way

1555
01:06:38,990 --> 01:06:36,720
you know uh the the the uh Rockford uh

1556
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,000
the other Rockford Witnesses

1557
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:42,240
um who were out cruising now they uh had

1558
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,220
this thing in their their headlights and

1559
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:46,319
it was still completely black

1560
01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:48,119
um you know even even being in their

1561
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:49,500
cars headlights

1562
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:53,640
so um whatever it is it uh it seems to

1563
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,720
be

1564
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:56,720
um I mean darker than you can really

1565
01:07:02,270 --> 01:06:59,400
imagine really you know honestly like

1566
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:02,280
darker than than seems to be uh entirely

1567
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:03,420
natural

1568
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:06,359
but just after

1569
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,000
that that Wings humanoid sighting uh

1570
01:07:15,010 --> 01:07:11,760
Shayna and her mother uh saw something

1571
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:15,020
else you know completely

1572
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:18,660
inexplicable so as she you know said to

1573
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:21,539
to me uh we walked to this broken down

1574
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:24,059
fence that separates my area from this

1575
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:26,099
lot that's on the other side between us

1576
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:28,140
and the canal we were out there walking

1577
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,819
and I asked my roommate to come

1578
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:31,680
downstairs and bring a flashlight so we

1579
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:33,720
can shine it in the tree line and see if

1580
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,220
we can see anything

1581
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,980
she came down in 15 minutes didn't see

1582
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:39,720
anything and we drove down to the park

1583
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,880
but the trees are so dense down there

1584
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:43,440
that even if there was something in

1585
01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:45,660
there we wouldn't have seen it when we

1586
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:47,579
drove back she went to the gas station

1587
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,500
for about 10 minutes but my mom and I

1588
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,839
were still outside in this light

1589
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:54,240
it almost looked like it was glowing it

1590
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:55,920
looked like if you were to see a sort of

1591
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:58,500
stingray like a glowing stingray in the

1592
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,160
mirror it it materialized above the air

1593
01:08:07,069 --> 01:08:04,319
like maybe 50 to 60 feet in the air

1594
01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:07,079
above the the empty lot and then it had

1595
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,480
wings but they were very fluid moving

1596
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:12,240
like very slow moving and very thin like

1597
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:15,720
if you look on the side of a stingray

1598
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,880
we could see that thing almost glowing

1599
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,440
against the dark sky and there was

1600
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:20,880
nothing that it could have reflected off

1601
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:23,100
of it was a clear sky or that could have

1602
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:25,080
caused that like a spotlight it was an

1603
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:28,679
actual physical thing there in the air

1604
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:31,319
it didn't look white it looked like

1605
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:33,480
light that is to say like she was trying

1606
01:08:38,809 --> 01:08:35,219
to explain to me that it didn't look

1607
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:38,819
like a white like reflection or anything

1608
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:41,339
it didn't look like an object that just

1609
01:08:46,249 --> 01:08:43,380
itself was white it looked like it was

1610
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,259
literally made of light

1611
01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:48,900
um and so yeah so so she says it didn't

1612
01:08:54,349 --> 01:08:51,239
look white it looked like light almost

1613
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:54,359
like a translucent whitish light uh it

1614
01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:55,859
wasn't just a white object because the

1615
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:58,199
sky was Pitch Black we saw the whole

1616
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:00,120
glowing silhouette and it flew very

1617
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:02,160
smoothly and fluidly over to the street

1618
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,339
it generally stayed the same height in

1619
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:07,679
the air then it turned around and came

1620
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:09,420
back over and literally and literally

1621
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:11,580
disappeared in the same spot it

1622
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:14,100
materialized didn't go down it didn't go

1623
01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,400
up it just vanished

1624
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:20,339
and uh and you know like she gets into

1625
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:22,440
some more detail there

1626
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,819
um you know because when I'm

1627
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,739
interviewing somebody I'll usually ask

1628
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:27,120
them

1629
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,980
um a lot of follow-up questions

1630
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,480
um I mean because who wouldn't have a

1631
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,120
lot of questions about that absolutely

1632
01:09:39,789 --> 01:09:36,719
but uh but also because I I want to be

1633
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:39,799
completely clear about what they

1634
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:42,120
experienced you know because it's very

1635
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:44,219
very important to me that I am

1636
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:46,140
accurately reflecting somebody's

1637
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:50,100
experience when I'm reporting on it

1638
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:51,779
um and so

1639
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:54,840
yeah I mean it was uh it it was a very

1640
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,420
interesting report you know I I talked

1641
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:00,000
to her on the phone for probably an hour

1642
01:10:05,150 --> 01:10:02,760
or or so to get all this info and then I

1643
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,160
actually I ended up going down there uh

1644
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:07,920
with with Emily of course and then uh

1645
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:10,620
our friend uh Adam Benedict from the the

1646
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:12,900
pine Barons Institute and uh and his

1647
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,540
wife and uh and we all went down there

1648
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:18,239
and scoped out that area and uh you know

1649
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:20,100
everything lined up everything was where

1650
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:21,659
she said it was

1651
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,260
um her obviously her uh account was was

1652
01:10:30,410 --> 01:10:27,360
very very detailed was very easy for us

1653
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:30,420
to find everything and and um you know

1654
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,940
she gave us the the address of where

1655
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:35,040
everything was and so

1656
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:37,080
um everything added up uh it's it's

1657
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,540
exactly as she described it no I didn't

1658
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:41,880
see uh like Mothman or anything while I

1659
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,219
was down there but you know

1660
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:46,560
um I didn't expect to frankly right

1661
01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:49,380
these there isn't uh there isn't a lot

1662
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:51,179
of uh

1663
01:10:55,970 --> 01:10:52,920
um repeatability like these aren't

1664
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:55,980
repetitive phenomena really you know

1665
01:11:01,310 --> 01:10:58,920
like people don't usually see uh winged

1666
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:01,320
humanoid in the exact same place very

1667
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,000
often you know maybe in the same area

1668
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,300
but not usually the same place and so

1669
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:08,400
you know um this seems like a very

1670
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:09,900
credible sighting to me you know I

1671
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:11,580
certainly think that she and her mother

1672
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,980
experience something that that they

1673
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,120
can't explain

1674
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:18,480
um it had a very powerful uh effect on

1675
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,560
them both

1676
01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:21,360
um you know they were certainly very

1677
01:11:28,669 --> 01:11:24,659
terrified uh by what they they they saw

1678
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:28,679
you know um and so yeah in in terms of

1679
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:31,140
of Lake Michigan Mothman sightings

1680
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:33,060
um you know this is a a really good one

1681
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:36,360
this is this is a kind of of report that

1682
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,300
I love to get where you know somebody it

1683
01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:41,880
had just happened fairly recently

1684
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:43,800
um you know when when she she got a hold

1685
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:46,920
of me I think she actually uh emailed me

1686
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:49,140
um immediately afterwards you know so it

1687
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:51,060
was it was right after she had this

1688
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:54,360
experience she hops online which is nice

1689
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,739
because that doesn't always happen right

1690
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,040
yeah you know I like when we get those

1691
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,739
reports within the hour people get them

1692
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:03,600
you know go Googling and find us

1693
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,880
absolutely yeah so I mean it's it's it's

1694
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:07,679
all fresh on our mind when she's like

1695
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:10,140
writing it out in in this email the the

1696
01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:11,760
first time

1697
01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:13,080
um you know and then I I talked to her

1698
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:15,719
very soon after that and uh and and then

1699
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,880
we went down there but um but yeah you

1700
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:19,860
know every Everything adds up to a a

1701
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:22,620
credible sighting here and you know it's

1702
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,320
got so many parallels with uh with so

1703
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:27,600
many other credible sightings that we've

1704
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:31,320
uh received that um

1705
01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:34,620
you know it's it's it's difficult not to

1706
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,600
take it seriously you know I I don't

1707
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,400
know what she saw but it's weird you

1708
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,500
know this all-black creature uh exactly

1709
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:43,320
the same as as two other guys in in

1710
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:47,100
Rockford have uh uh described separately

1711
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:50,460
you know over the the past several years

1712
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:51,120
um

1713
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:54,540
you have like weird UFO in in in the the

1714
01:13:00,770 --> 01:12:57,480
same area just like another you know

1715
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:00,780
fourth Rockford witness had had uh

1716
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:03,960
described now now uh uh Jonathan Lane

1717
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:05,699
that was the other uh Rockford witness

1718
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,840
who had seen um a UFO in the same area

1719
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,760
as as he had had his his Mothman

1720
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:14,040
sighting now his UFO was a more

1721
01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:16,020
traditional sort of Craft

1722
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:18,600
um so it wasn't exactly the same as like

1723
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:20,940
this living light creature but it's

1724
01:13:26,689 --> 01:13:23,280
still weird that he had a UFO sighting

1725
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:26,699
you know in in the same area uh as

1726
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:29,699
really directly above almost his

1727
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,280
uh where he had his his uh his Mothman

1728
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:34,320
sighting and so there's just so many

1729
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,860
parallels uh between these sightings and

1730
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:40,320
these these people don't know each other

1731
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:41,280
um

1732
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,360
most of them have uh

1733
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:46,080
basically

1734
01:13:50,090 --> 01:13:48,600
testified that um that they didn't

1735
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,100
really have any knowledge of this case

1736
01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:52,380
you know I'm sure we've we've all talked

1737
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,659
to tons of witnesses where

1738
01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:56,640
um basically what happened is they have

1739
01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:00,120
an experience like this this woman and

1740
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:01,260
um they don't know what the hell it is

1741
01:14:04,189 --> 01:14:02,699
they don't know where the hell like they

1742
01:14:06,850 --> 01:14:04,199
should go to report it they don't know

1743
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:06,860
anything about it and so they hop online

1744
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,620
and uh they must find one of us through

1745
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,480
Google and basically because who else

1746
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:14,880
are you gonna find honestly

1747
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:17,340
um and uh and and that's how they they

1748
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:19,560
uh that's that's how they get it to us

1749
01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:22,199
but you know she certainly didn't seem

1750
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,780
to have any any prior knowledge

1751
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:27,239
um she certainly like she said she

1752
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:29,520
didn't and I don't have any reason to to

1753
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,140
disbelieve her

1754
01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:33,719
um I guess is is what I should say but

1755
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:35,640
uh yeah it seems awfully strange I mean

1756
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,020
you would have these four different

1757
01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:39,719
Witnesses reporting

1758
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:42,300
uh these sightings with all of these

1759
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:45,840
weird parallels uh just with within you

1760
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:48,480
know Rockford without knowing each other

1761
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:51,480
and really without being uh

1762
01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:54,540
aware of of anybody having seen anything

1763
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,420
similar in in their relative

1764
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,060
relatively you know mid-sized I guess

1765
01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:02,280
City smallish City

1766
01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:06,179
yeah I I agree I agree it's so

1767
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:07,860
interesting how

1768
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:09,420
um

1769
01:15:15,649 --> 01:15:12,360
so many reports are so far from each

1770
01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:15,659
other in time and in space and uh

1771
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:17,460
they're so similar

1772
01:15:24,350 --> 01:15:22,500
it's uh it's it's uncanny and uh for the

1773
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:24,360
most part the witnesses have been very

1774
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:25,500
forthcoming

1775
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:27,719
that's something we'd always get with

1776
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:31,800
Cryptid investigations uh people

1777
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,400
not embellishing on what they've seen

1778
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:37,199
they stick to what they originally tell

1779
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:38,280
you

1780
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:43,860
this whole

1781
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,920
ordeal I don't know I call it ordeal but

1782
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:48,900
all this has been very interesting from

1783
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,649
yeah I mean that's that that's

1784
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:56,640
absolutely right um there have been so

1785
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,199
many people

1786
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:00,840
um that seem so very very credible you

1787
01:16:05,630 --> 01:16:03,060
know um I'm reminded of going down to

1788
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:05,640
Woodstock you know and uh and and

1789
01:16:11,950 --> 01:16:08,760
talking to the the main siding witness

1790
01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:11,960
down there you know and this was in

1791
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:14,100
incredible story

1792
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:17,600
um and and you know you've you are uh

1793
01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:20,040
aware of that witness you've spoken to

1794
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:22,440
him and communicated with with his wife

1795
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:25,980
and so we both know uh significant

1796
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:29,460
details about their their life

1797
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:33,540
and it would be devastating for them to

1798
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:36,600
have a story like that come out attached

1799
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:38,580
to them so they had nothing to gain

1800
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:42,360
everything to lose by contacting us

1801
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:44,460
um and yet they were so gracious you

1802
01:16:49,610 --> 01:16:46,620
know and invited Emily and I down there

1803
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:49,620
and took us around the siding area and

1804
01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:51,300
and uh and showed us where everything

1805
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:52,920
happened

1806
01:16:57,950 --> 01:16:55,679
um and the only reason and it was

1807
01:17:02,570 --> 01:16:57,960
evident after speaking to them the only

1808
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:02,580
reason that they they did so is because

1809
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,219
something really happened to this guy he

1810
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:07,679
had an experience that was very

1811
01:17:13,010 --> 01:17:10,620
impactful that he can't explain and he's

1812
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,020
got to talk to somebody about it you

1813
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,880
know and uh and there's nobody else to

1814
01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,980
talk to really and so he and his wife

1815
01:17:20,090 --> 01:17:18,600
they're they're just looking for for

1816
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:20,100
answers they're looking for something

1817
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,920
after running headlong into the

1818
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:25,440
impossible you know

1819
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:28,440
um and that's so many of of these these

1820
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,320
Witnesses you know like they know yeah

1821
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,840
this is something that I this is

1822
01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:35,280
something that's been very interesting

1823
01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:37,380
to me about all of this

1824
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,420
is that we've had

1825
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:41,520
politicians

1826
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,340
we've had the local celebrities

1827
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,320
we've had Sports personalities

1828
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,480
professional sports people

1829
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:50,159
that have been involved with these

1830
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:51,719
settings

1831
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:55,679
and the fact that they even came forward

1832
01:18:02,030 --> 01:17:58,560
is amazing to me

1833
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:02,040
but uh that has been something that has

1834
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:04,260
been very

1835
01:18:09,229 --> 01:18:07,260
you know I don't know is it are they

1836
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:09,239
destined to see these things because of

1837
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,219
the notoriety I don't know but it is

1838
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,440
interesting hey guys look we're going to

1839
01:18:17,810 --> 01:18:15,120
go ahead and get off of here tonight I

1840
01:18:20,689 --> 01:18:17,820
do appreciate you coming on I am going

1841
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:20,699
to set up a Mothman

1842
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,120
round table at some point uh we'll bring

1843
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:26,460
Travis back in if you guys would like to

1844
01:18:32,030 --> 01:18:29,159
be part of that I would like to have you

1845
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:32,040
yeah I'm I'm always happy to be here

1846
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,719
okay

1847
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:36,120
so uh you know thanks again for coming

1848
01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:38,580
in I appreciate it and uh you all have a

1849
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:39,480
nice weekend

1850
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:42,179
thanks uh yeah you you too take care

1851
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:51,830
so

1852
01:18:57,050 --> 01:18:54,709
now if uh if you've had an uh sighting

1853
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:57,060
or encounter report that you would like

1854
01:18:59,630 --> 01:18:58,320
to be considered from the personal

1855
01:19:02,450 --> 01:18:59,640
report show

1856
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:02,460
or posted on family please feel free to

1857
01:19:06,490 --> 01:19:03,960
forward the email to lawn

1858
01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:06,500
stricklerfamousers.com

1859
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:09,659
uh I want to get thanked Tobias and and

1860
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,600
Manuel for joining me this evening and

1861
01:19:18,649 --> 01:19:14,640
thanks to each all and you for watching

1862
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:18,659
and chatting now next Wednesday I will

1863
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:20,820
present another live personal report

1864
01:19:24,290 --> 01:19:22,199
show

1865
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:24,300
and next Friday

1866
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:27,480
author Carol Scott will join me to

1867
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:30,600
discuss her book the Cryptids of Asia

1868
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,219
and Oceana

1869
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:34,640
uh this should be a very interesting

1870
01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:37,679
episode so uh make sure you join us for

1871
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,540
that I'm quite sure you guys got a lot

1872
01:19:45,709 --> 01:19:41,880
of questions that you can bring up in

1873
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:45,719
the chat so hey stay tuned

1874
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:48,239
for Bernadette McDaniel's a paranormal

1875
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:50,900
life hero and fans monsters radio

1876
01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:54,239
that'll Premiere at 11 o'clock P.M

1877
01:20:00,830 --> 01:19:57,780
Eastern Time 8 P.M Pacific time

1878
01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:00,840
and uh so until then stay healthy and

1879
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:02,520
have a safe and enjoyable weekend good

1880
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:11,830
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